MARTIN: You know, to that end, the subjects you deal with in these books are serious, but there is kind of a fun tone to it. Assuming you can't stop it, let's think about what else could be done with it beyond - not just the future of it taking our jobs, but what does it mean for the nature of what work is? I think about AI, and, yes, we have this sort of existential crisis conversation about AI, but I think there are more pedestrian issues for us to concern ourselves with. MARTIN: So could you give us a head's up? What's keeping you up at night now, just so, you know, we can get ready?ĪBRAMS: I will say, I begin a conversation about cybersecurity in this book, and it continues to be an issue that I want to explore a bit more. But really, my ideas come from thinking about what we see in the world around us and then what could go slightly wrong or, more importantly, what questions aren't we asking about what's happening to us? And I was actually flipping through her conference program, and that gave me part of the idea for this book. My younger sister is a federal judge, and we were having lunch after she'd come back from a conference. I actually, at one point, had an infrastructure consulting firm, and so I'd spent some time thinking about the physical infrastructure of the country. But the conversations about our infrastructure matter to me. And, as much as I love science fiction, I'm trying to think 10, 20, 30 years in the future, not a thousand, 2,000, 3,000 years in the future. They'll think, well, what would it be like if we had no water or something like that? So, like, how do you come up with these things?ĪBRAMS: I really like to understand where we are and where we go next. This one deals with surveillance and things of that - how do you think of these things? The reason I ask is that, you know, some people who write about, like, science fiction - right? - what they'll do is they'll extrapolate forward. MARTIN: One of the reasons I was curious about this is that your last book dealt with things that we subsequently had to worry about, like Big Pharma, bioengineering. And so Avery has to figure out how broken our systems are by understanding just how fragile our infrastructure is in this nation. But she is contacted by someone who recognizes that one part of our court system is imperiled. We follow her through the political fallout. So there was turmoil but nothing quite as egregious as I portrayed in "While Justice Sleeps." And so "Rogue Justice" picks up four months later and really looks at the consequences of confronting a president who's made some egregious mistakes but where the public is divided about what that means. I take it it was different this time around.ĪBRAMS: Yes. It's my recollection that the first draft of this book - everybody passed on it because the president seemed too absurd, and nobody cares about the Supreme Court. It's a - you know, a rogue president involved in international intrigue, a Supreme Court justice who falls into a persistent vegetative state. MARTIN: I think people may remember your first thriller, which features Avery Keene. And Stacey Abrams is with us now to tell us more about it. It's her second thriller that features Supreme Court clerk, amateur sleuth and all-around savior of democracy, Avery Keene. Her most recent book, her 15th, is another novel, and it's out today. Former Georgia state representative Stacey Abrams has one of those resumes that makes you feel bad about yourself - world-class education, a distinguished career in the Georgia legislature, a national leader on voting rights, entrepreneur, professor, and she's a prolific author of both fiction and political strategy.
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